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[AprilNucleus]

Hi all!

 

Long story short--our team leader has gone absent for almost two weeks now. I believe that there must be guards in place to keep players from poaching teams from the leaders, but in the case of an absent leader what's to be done?  Starting a new team loses all the benefits of the team one has been building, and there doesn't seem to be a way to contact the leader outside the game.

 

Our team leader apparently hasn't left the game, but we're stuck for progress if he doesn't return, so what are our options?

 

--April

[Silverwing]

you have to wait about 30 days for them to be inactive.  After the time frame, you can create a vote to remove the inactive leader and chose a new one based on the players.  If the vote is successful, that person you voted for will become leader.  If not successful, you have to wait 24 hours and start another vote.  

[AprilNucleus]

Thanks--is just hasn't been long enough, then.  I'll let the team know.

[Maky]

This rule to displace the leader of a team always seemed wrong for me. Imagine - for example - that I spent a lot of money to expand my team to 100%, and then I got sick, doctors had to operate me and it took me more than a month to get healthy ... And when I connect again to HZ I found that I no longer have my team anymore, and now it's someone else's.

 

This is a subtle way of stealing the group to someone.

 

The team must always belong to its legitimate owners, and if they absent for a long time the members should look for another team until the owner returns.

 

I think many players should think the same, and that's why it's not worth spending money to expand the team because it's not sure it's still yours if you do not connect for a month.

[Silverwing]

Although I can understand your point Maky, what about every player on that team that donated coins and donuts to build that team up?  What you are saying is that only the leader should ever own it and if they go inactive all those players should leave.  How fair is that to the rest of the team to force them to leave?    I just went through leaving a team that I donated money to help build it and then told by the leader, it is mine, leave in one week I am deleting the team.  All of us long serving members lost everything.  What compensation do the members who did this get?  Nothing.    It is not just the leader who makes the team great.

[AprilNucleus]

I've already been through this scenario in [...]--almost all the other admirals in our fleet left without saying anything, and I'm in the position of having to run the thing by myself. In due time I have to kick out the people who invited me in, and then replace them with other players. Yes, it's like mutiny, but it's got to be.

@Maky, I understand your position and how your experience leads you to that opinion, but I'm not prepared to lose my investment in the team, nor should anyone else be told to simply walk away from the investment--and time is as valuable a commodity as any other. In reality, I expect seeking another team and finding one would simply be the end of it--why go back to the first team after finding another?

Edited by LevelHunter, 20 February 2018 - 03:51 PM.
Removed other game name

[Maky]

@Silverwing @AprilNucleus:

 

Your point of view is also valid and it makes sense because if everyone contributes donuts they have the right to be leaders, since the group belongs to everyone.

 

Although I think that the true leader is the one who founded and named the team

 

It's a dangerous thing when you have a team and you only invite two or three friends, you put them in Advisors to take care of the team when you're not there, and they'll betray you when you're away for a month. They can even use fake accounts to vote and expel you from the team

 

I do not know, I guess this rule can be something good or bad, depends of the occasion 

Edited by Maky, 19 February 2018 - 01:11 PM.

[Dwerp]

A true team leader would want someone in control and running his team... It's just a title really, but if you have the betterment of your club in mind, then anyone leading it properly would be better than no one at all. Lack of active leadership, to a lot of people, signifies a dying club. Who wants to log in and never see team leaders or advisers on?

 

As a point: In my case, I acquired leadership of this team I am in because our previous leader transferred ownership to me because he was having health issues and knew he would be absent. His mindset was someone that cared about the team, helped the team, donated time and actually kept the team active. We still see him as the leader and founder, even though he has been gone months now. If he were to return, I would hand the reigns of the team back over, without question. And I have worked my tail off to build our team up. But that's the key word there.. OUR team.. Not mine. Not his.. not the advisers.. OUR. 

 

So its really what you want being said about your team in your absence. If you pick the right advisers, the right people, your club is your club with or without the original creator at the helm. 

Edited by Dwerp, 19 February 2018 - 01:39 PM.

[AprilNucleus]

No rule can cover all contingencies. I expect your scenario is not the majority of experiences. As long as the leader and the advisers don't have communication outside the game (to indicate the upcoming extended absence) then I think this is inevitable. There's also the issue of consequences because the game has both adults (presumed to behave in a more mature manner) and children (who can be depended to do whatever strikes them as right or fun at the moment, because they're children).

As online privacy becomes more and more critical, we're going to see this a lot. I would have preferred to be able to contact team members outside the game (as the team I belonged to in [...] did, but only after years of playing together) so that this sort of thing could be sorted out. Even if the computer is non-functional, the phone can send e-mail, right?

I see an issue in the "don't invest money in the team" suggestion--teams offer benefits and without investments, those benefits are practically worthless. If one isn't going to invest coin and donuts (presumably funded by real currency in the donut aspect), then what is the point of forming a team? We all calculate the risk-vs-reward equation differently, I suppose.

Edited by LevelHunter, 20 February 2018 - 03:54 PM.
Removed other game name

[Maky]

@Dwerp:

 

On this server there are some things that are not there in the others, like fellowship and loyalty. The groups are a family of friends who help each other.

 

But there are other servers from very poor countries (Venezuela, Peru, Bolivia, etc ...) where people do not have money to buy donuts (and much less donate to expand a team) and there is a lot of ENVY from someone who has an extended team 100%, and this rule of dismissing an absentee owner is always used to steal other people's team.

 

There is no fellowship or loyalty, they seek to hack the leader, send him fake links, viruses, etc .. by mail to remove him to the team.

 

I do not speak from my own experience because I always log in regularly and I never go away for so long, and for now I am not recruiting players for my team.

 

But I have seen cases - in other server - of a friend who went to work in Canadá and could not connect often and lost his team. In those servers of poor countries, people are waiting for the leader to be absent to rob him.

 

I believe that the leader should have the option of regaining his leadership, in the same way that members can vote to dismiss him.

 

For example, when they return (after a month, a year, or whenever), when they connect to their account, should get the option in the form of a pop-up that says:

 

a) Recover leadership

Keep X person as leader

c) Advisor

d) Member

 

So that would be fairer and there wouldn't be equipment thieves.

[Dwerp]

@Maky

You make good points Maky, but there is a point of time that I would have a problem with someone coming back and reassuming leadership roles too.

 

Lets say you are leader because your leader timed out over 3 months or so. You take ownership, you spend time, money, donuts to build the club up even better than it was.. 8 or 9 months the original creator shows up, kicks you out of leadership.. worse, he comes in dismantles the entire club. 

 

I think once an account is deleted, (which is 60 days I think), they should not be allowed to take back over unless the entire club agrees. 

 

@April

Yes it is tough to stay in touch with members, but I have asked all my members to be a part of the forum so that I can contact them that way. That is tied to an email so at least they can see that I tried to contact them by a notification in email, then choose to log on or reply. Some have connected via facebook so I can reach them there. Its really up to your leaders, but I would suggest implementing a similar policy. The forum is the safest, most secure way to stay in touch and you can always see when or if they have been online. 

[Maky]

Then there should be no option to create groups since everything belongs to everyone. The beginner player should only register and get into some team already formed.

 

It's disturbing the idea that you can't have something of yours in HeroZero without the danger of someone stealing it from you.

 

Anyway, thanks for your appreciations Dwerp, although I don't think the same as you, but it is good that we have a different opinion. Regards

[Dwerp]

Absolutely, Maky.

 

Our difference of opinions is what gives us the overall ideas for game improvement on a mass scale. I like to see others thoughts, and honestly, I have changed my opinions based on others thoughts at times.  

 

Thank you for your input and insights.  

[Silverwing]

I think that if you create a team, it is your responsibility to find trustworthy advisors.  With that in mind, I do not know 100% how a vote picks players to take over team, but I think if you have 5 advisors, only those specific ones could be voted in to take over leadership.  That would give you a better peace of mind if something happens and you go inactive.  I agree with Dwerp that once the account is deleted, which is at 100 days, you should not be able to take back ownership of the team automatically.   With the amount of accounts that are being made by one player it would be very easy to steal a team the way Maky says.  I really think that Playata should be running programs to pinpoint the multiple accounts in-game and remove them since it is against the ToS.  But then that is another issue.