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#1 Silverwing

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Posted 27 March 2016 - 12:11 AM

So recently I had the same amount of attacks in for the Villian as well as another player.  I was only given 2nd place and when I wrote support they told me that if there is a tie, first place goes to the player with the most damage dealt.   When I tried to discuss this with them, they practically just slammed the door shut and said it is what it is and if you have anything to say, write it in the forum to make suggestions.

 

So first off, my say.  If 2 people have the same amount of hits and 1 player is level 100 and the other is level 300, guess who will always get the villain item.... the level 300 because they will always do the most damage.  I would like to know how anyone considers this fair.  Why should I try to get first if all a higher level player has to do is spend donuts and get the same amount of attacks in and win the prize.

 

So if we both used the same donuts and got the same attacks, I just wasted all mine because I am a lower level player.  This is a very unfair advantage for the lower player and should be reviewed.

 

There are many ways that could make it fair.  Could be the first person in that tie that hits the villain gets first place or really, it can just go to both the players to make it fair.  Why should I donate money to the game to buy donuts if I get no shafted because I am a lower level player.  The player that has played the game longer will 99% of the time have higher stats and thus do more damage. 


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 12:35 AM

Silver it happened with me and Grub I got first and he got second with the same amount of hits. But I do wish that they would make it a tie instead os saying first and second


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 05:07 AM

Silver it happened with me and Grub I got first and he got second with the same amount of hits. But I do wish that they would make it a tie instead os saying first and second

 

You are level 379 and Grub is level 304.....  Hence my concern of unfair advantage.... the higher level player will get 1st place and the lower level gets shafted. 


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Posted 27 March 2016 - 06:30 AM

I had this happen to me this week as well.  I personally don't really find it unfair.  Given that explanation then it does shock me that this person who won had a higher hit damage ---but it happens.

 

You have to consider what you do win.  If you didn't win first, the first item you wouldn't get is the ironic suit item.  But you still get the 8 training units.  You still get exp, and coins.  Maybe not as much---but still a huge amount.  You still get a part of the amphibian suit.  You could still get a sidekick.  So it isn't like you are leaving empty handed.  To be honest----tying happened for the first time to me this week.  And this is the first I have ever heard of it happening to anyone.  So I am wondering if this is something new.



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Posted 28 March 2016 - 09:08 PM

Yes, you still get the 8 training and the 30 energy.  But if you are trying for first for the Ironman piece, you lose it to the higher player every time if there is a tie.  What good is amphibian suit at 5% when you are wearing 7% Ironman piece?  I am making a suggestion to have this reviewed and to find a better way for to break the tie so that the lower level player doesn't always lose out. 


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Posted 29 March 2016 - 03:33 PM

Well the lower level player that tied with me actually had a stronger damage for that last hit than I did.  And I am definitely stronger than they are.  The damage of your hit is not the same each time.  So there are built in chances for the lower level to win.



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Posted 29 March 2016 - 06:21 PM

why why why !!? just why nobody here consider the tie concept, what's wrong or unfair about it?

since the ranking is already based on the amount of attacks done, so why pick 1 winner when there is more than 1 that already have same amount of attacks, and you know what is unfair? is that those players till the end see that they already in rank 1, and after villain's death, they aren't? is that fair ? is it fair to be illusive after spending your donuts and see that you got it then OOPS, YOU MISSED 

BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.

YEAH THAT'S THE EXACT DESCRIPTION OF FAIRNESS.

please guys before defending any concept just try to be in those who complain's shoe

just be in their place,  and try to still be fair.

thanks for listening :)


Edited by DrTiko, 29 March 2016 - 06:25 PM.

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Posted 30 March 2016 - 12:59 AM

I can see where you are coming from.  I just don't necessarily agree.  The only actual problem I see is th Ironic suit.  But considering I was stronger than the person who tied with me---yet their damage was more for that particular hit----that seems to level the playing field doesn't it.  I lost that tie.  For me, I just don't see that much of a difference between 1st and 2nd.  Only the suit.



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Posted 30 March 2016 - 01:59 AM

I can see where you are coming from.  I just don't necessarily agree.  The only actual problem I see is th Ironic suit.  But considering I was stronger than the person who tied with me---yet their damage was more for that particular hit----that seems to level the playing field doesn't it.  I lost that tie.  For me, I just don't see that much of a difference between 1st and 2nd.  Only the suit.

 

how losing a tie, is considered even fair ? that's so out of sense, just tell me and explain it to me, how a TIE is a loss ?

and you said "Only the suit" ? excuse me please, what the main point of doing villain's missions ? not to get the main reward ?

just training ? and no suits, pets, etc...

all i know is that the main point of doing a villain is for their awesome sets, that's why people mainly used to spend their donuts for.

before they add trainings + energies

some people like iron sets more than any in secret shop, they can even use more donuts (more money) on that iron suits than buying a suit from secret shop.

but again, LOSING A TIE !!!! that's really out of sense, no logic here at all !!!



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Posted 30 March 2016 - 02:52 AM

Well usually with a tie there has to be a tie breaker.  I guess they are using the hit damage as the tie breaker.


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:52 AM

if some tiny little level 20 came into the game and dropped their paycheck on donuts to win... but did 1/10000th of the damage of another long playing level 300 - thats not really winning the prize is it. If you were a cnn reporter and watched that - you'd give noob a thanks for damaging his shoe prize and run a feature article on the one who made the difference wouldn't you?

I recently lost in the same situation and while it sucked its fair.



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Posted 12 May 2016 - 07:00 PM

Well I think this boils down to understanding that a person who is level 300, for example, is going to be stronger because they have put in the time, energy, hard work, and maybe even donuts--in order to develop their character to this point.  That has its advantages, and rightfully so.  If I am battling for first against a level 350 and we tie and their hit does more damage than mine---they should rightfully win.  They are stronger, they have put in the work for it.  They didn't start playing at 350.  It takes time and hard work to get there.  So yes the benefit of all of that time and hard work is being stronger than others.  Don't take that from a player.  They worked for it.



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Posted 14 May 2016 - 10:25 PM

I disagree LittleOne.  Consider this, in this specific incident, it was a 3 hour villian.  I am 15 levels below the one that got first place.  I spent all 3 hours straight playing the villian event.  Someone walks in and spends 100 donuts and ties my attack count.  It took them 20 minutes to do so while it took me 3 hours.  And because they do more damage per hit they get first place.  That is not because they are stronger and they worked for it. 

 

Although maybe a comparison of level 20 against level 350 may be good, a level 350 versus level 360 who can hit harder is a bad comparison.  And since this time, I have tied at least 20 more times and guess what, I placed 2nd against the person who was higher in level than me....  I still think that something must be considered in this circumstance. 

 

But mind you, I have been saving my hard earned money now since this day and 2 servers here and 1 server on the other game.....  Lots of real money saved ......


Edited by Silverwing, 14 May 2016 - 10:26 PM.

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Posted 14 May 2016 - 10:37 PM

Well usually the reason a higher level does more damage per hit is because their strength is pretty decent amount.  When I say they are stronger, I am referring to the time they put into the game to make their character strong.  So if you have a 300 and a 350 and the 350 puts out more hit damage because they are stronger---well yeah.  They have been working on their hero longer and they reap the benefits of that. 

 

Now as far as a person throwing a 100 donuts---yep---I've seen that happen.  And it is the way the game is set up of course.  You can advance using donuts. I know it sucks hanging out for a long villain and having someone beat you because of donuts----but the whole game is structured around those donuts.  If a player pays the cash---they get an advantage.



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Posted 14 May 2016 - 10:51 PM

Just because someone hits harder and does more damage doesn't mean that they have been working on their hero or for longer.  If you are on a team that holds 5 training trophies versus a team that has little to no training, that person's stats are going to be higher because they got to train more times then the other person.  Thus, their stats will be higher and they will do more damage.  


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Posted 14 May 2016 - 11:03 PM

Yes, but it is the nature of the game again.  Anyone can apply to be on one of those teams that carry those trophies they want.  Even if you are on a 5 training trophy team, you still have to put in the work to use those trainings.  They don't make you stronger all by themselves.  I truly understand where you are coming from.  I am just saying that people who have been working on their hero longer,  people who have those training trophies, people who use donuts---will have an advantage.  But here is the key----is it rightly so?  I personally think it is. The game could put in advantages for the others---like with the casino.  But even still---you can use donuts there too.  I don't think that will ever change.



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Posted 15 May 2016 - 12:56 AM

To paraphrase and then answer the objections-

 

those who are higher level have an advantage.... yup... they've either played longer or purchased more energy refills to gain those levels...

 

those who spend donuts on villains have an advantage... yup...  they either earned the donuts or they spent real-world money to buy them... to give you an advantage of some description is what the donuts are for...

 

being on a team with training trophies gives you an advantage... yup... but what is stopping you from joining one of these teams or having  your own team improving their heroes to the point where you can win those trophies away from them?

 

doing any of these is unfair... really? what exactly is stopping you from doing the exact same thing? 

 

 

 

****'Fair' means everyone has the same chances based on the work they've done or the donuts they've spent... if you've spent the time or spent the money you've earned the advantage...

 

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Posted 08 August 2016 - 02:28 AM

sadly, for first place, there can only be one winner thus tiebreaker is fair

 

what truly feels unfair is cases where someone ends up 14th place in a quick villain (1 hour only for an event thus everyone wanted to get hits and make sure it got defeated) and than you see you had same number of hits as your teammate who got 3rd place Plus you were only 2 hits behind one who got 1st place, and you ended up with no frog set piece even thought you tied at least 3rd to 13th place (maybe more as there might had been others who were ranked behind you )


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