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#41 King of Thieves

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Posted 04 November 2015 - 03:48 AM

Interesting.  First----I am just asking this question-  absolutely and positively no offense is meant by it. 

 

Villains Inc. made it to number one after the Star Alliance issue right?  I am only bringing that up because to say we did it so you can do it, well your situation was a special situation.  There was an influence from the Star Alliance situation where they kind of fell apart. It is difficult to take a number one spot when teams have a lot of trainings.  If it didn't work, people wouldn't do it.  They would treat the training trophies like they do the courage.

 

In my plan for the trophies, I just used training trophies as an example.  But it could be done with all the trophies.

 

I think it would make the game more fun to randomly throw out the trophies at the end of the week or every 48 hours even.  How cool would that be?!?!?

 

Drunken Degenerates is a good team.  I think it's ok to want to be in the number one spot.  Even if you are in third place.  But the idea of making a more fair trophy environment, well it wouldn't just benefit DD, it would benefit the whole server.  That is always a good thing.

 

DM was the long standing 1st place. Not Star. DM also held 5 training trophies for several months before we had any. And our rise was through MANY teams. Again, we started the server 8 months after the server started and many of the current top 10 teams were already in place. So to try and take away from what we did with such a statement is highly incorrect, especially considering the two teams in question merged to try to match our own strength. 

 

 

WOW HATS OFF TO YOU KoT, I guess we have a lot to learn from you and your gang, I curtsy to you.
 
I watched you this morning and you realized that the 7th place team who was attacking you were probably going to win and you would take the only trophy that they had.  Your team did the valiant thing and all left the gang and returned so that you didn't sign up for the fight so that they could win.  You guys gave up a training trophy for the underdogs.  That was so kind of you to do that for them.

 

 

 

I totally understand what you are saying about this.  Our gang, should also be recognizing this and consider helping out the smaller teams too.  All I can say is wow, just wow,  kudos to your team on such a nice gesture.

 

 

Thank you, though I'm surprised you know what happened, since that isn't your team and you're not on our's. Actually, we dropped several trophies, including the 3 I spoke of previously, which dropped us to 2nd place and 2 more today. We've actually dropped 6 recently. Unfortunately, the currently top ranked team were sitting like snipers to set one of the teams we dropped a training trophy to ranked in 16th place. And so we keep attacking them and then dropping trophies down to the lower ranks, where they just snatch them up again. Would be nice to get some help in this endeavor from some other top teams. If people really want a balanced server, one would think the Villains wouldn't be the only ones partaking in this.

 

We've already accomplished all our personal team goals when we became the strongest team and after we hit the 6 month mark in 1st place. So now we can start doing more to further our other goals, like balancing the server. Previously, we did a drop and grab strategy, but every time we did, one of the top teams would immediately take the trophy from the team we dropped it to. So instead, we started having players join us on our team for a week at a time to use our trophies and then return to their team and be replaced by another of their team's players. We did this w/ 5 low ranked teams to help them grow, 1 of which is now a top team in it's own right.

 

If you look at our team's mission statement in our description, which has been there for a long time, you'll see our goal was always to balance the server. But we had to get strong enough to police it 1st. Unfortunately, we're only one team. Granted we have friends in other teams which we help and they help us, but unfortunately, they aren't strong enough to help balance the server through drop and grab techniques like I was discussing. It would be nice if we got some help from the other strong teams on the server that can actually make a difference in helping balance the server, especially since the two teams that had the original monopolies we've been discussing merged to try and recreate that monopoly for themselves again.

 

Now frankly, you'll hear a lot of things from folks to paint a negative picture of me and my team to everyone else. But believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. Everyone moans that we're the bad guys, but we're the ones trying to help the server as a whole rather than just ourselves, and we have been since we reached the top 5.

 

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On that note, I disagree with the statement that trophy greed is human nature. It's only some human's nature. As I said before, we only ever wanted enough of any 1 trophy type to stay on pace with or just ahead of the strongest team. Which is why we only ever kept 3 training and 2 energy. That was the ratio we always wanted to help balance the server more. Some people do actually care about others before themselves and put their well being, even strangers, at the forefront of their thoughts. 

 

So many here rail against villains and declare themselves heroes. But look what the villains have been doing this whole time, and then look at what the heroes have been doing. Then ask yourself, if you want to call yourself a hero, shouldn't you be making the selfless act too?


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 06:52 AM

Whether it was DM or SA who was first, that is neither here nor there.  They were 1 and 2 however you want to place them.  Like I said it wasn't meant as a dig.  Every team that gets to number one deserves an applause.  I mentioned it because your statement just made it sound like getting to number 1 was easier than it is.  I was just pointing out that VI made it to number 1 during a particular time on us2.  A time when teams were imploding.  It's not easy to get to number 1 or else everyone would do it.

 

But when you are holding quite a few training trophies---you really don't need to be good at the game anymore.  Those teams can just pick off the trophies they want from lower ranked teams. 

 

To make a more fun environment----gotta change the trophy system.



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Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:43 AM

I never said it was easy. I've always maintained it takes dedicated work by the team as a whole. It wasn't easy for us. From 10th to 1st it wasn't easy. Heck, just making it into top 10 wasn't easy. I simply said it can be done. We did it. So can others. I even said how we did it as a guideline for those teams that really want it enough to work for it.

 

1 team was "imploding". The other didn't. And there were many teams to go through than just the top 2, many of which are still there. And if you can get past the toughest team, it doesn't matter that the 2nd toughest team imploded.

 

Of course it's not easy. It takes work and a dedicated team using solid strategy and alliances as well as taking advantage of every edge they can. Edges I outlined above. You can't just go up till it gets tough then quit. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. 

 

A team not being good anymore is an advantage to lower ranked teams they should exploit if they want to get ahead. 


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 01:38 PM

Not even saying that taking advantage of both teams imploding was a bad thing.  It was good.  I would have done the same thing.  What I am saying is if they hadn't imploded and held a monopoly of the training trophies, you may not be at first right now.  Because those teams holding a monopoly of training trophies makes it difficult to move them.  That is all that I am saying.



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Posted 04 November 2015 - 05:45 PM

 

Thank you, though I'm surprised you know what happened, since that isn't your team and you're not on our's. Actually, we dropped several trophies, including the 3 I spoke of previously, which dropped us to 2nd place and 2 more today. We've actually dropped 6 recently. Unfortunately, the currently top ranked team were sitting like snipers to set one of the teams we dropped a training trophy to ranked in 16th place. And so we keep attacking them and then dropping trophies down to the lower ranks, where they just snatch them up again. Would be nice to get some help in this endeavor from some other top teams. If people really want a balanced server, one would think the Villains wouldn't be the only ones partaking in this.

 

 

 

Do people really not know what is happening on the game?  Do you think we all just joined yesterday and don't pay attention?  I watch many teams and players closely all day long, keeps me in the loop.  How do I know what happened?  Well many times while I was attacking people for honour I found YOUR gang members with no gang and then they returned.  It is an old trick that I am aware of, because while in DM, we did it.  If we didn't want to take a crappy trophy we would all leave the gang and return.  That way you lose and you don't get the trophy.  Watching where trophies go after the "time" of a fight is pretty easy to understand.  Who won, who fought who and what trophy switched places.  It is not rocket science, it is actual fact.

 

How does shifting power from one team to another really help test the server and help the server?  So DM goes to Rank 2 and Villians go to rank 1 and vice versa, and this helps the server and game how?  Unless you are in the top 10 teams, you really aren't active players, using all your energy and trains daily.   As long as 1 or 2 teams monopolize the training trophies they will always be ranked 1 and 2.  It is a given and your arguments fail.  You can keep saying that you are helping other gangs by giving them trophies, yet you are doing it ONLY for your team's best interest.  That is why teams have "academy" gangs, to have the declare fights to block other teams from attacking you and steal your honour or trophies.  Good strategy, but how some gangs will just sit back and let this happen is beyond me.  Why be the billy goat to help another team be in the top at all, when you have potential to get there yourself.  As long as you keep letting them walk on you to help THEM succeed, you have lost it all.

 

I agree, either make more of all trophies or have them drop off after 48 hours from being obtained.  Allow other teams the chance to have them and have the extra energy or training that would help them get into top spot. 


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 11:03 PM

Not even saying that taking advantage of both teams imploding was a bad thing.  It was good.  I would have done the same thing.  What I am saying is if they hadn't imploded and held a monopoly of the training trophies, you may not be at first right now.  Because those teams holding a monopoly of training trophies makes it difficult to move them.  That is all that I am saying.

 

Again, 1 team imploded. Not 2. And it was the 2nd strongest one. Not the 1st. And yes, we would have made it to 1st. 1 team imploding wouldn't have changed that. Especially since it was the 2nd strongest team rather than the 1st. We've had a regular roster for our entire existence. Those players worked hard most every day as both a team and individuals, doing the things I outlined above. As long as your whole team is doing more than the teams above them, they will climb the ladder. And that's just what we did. DM's team mates who retired, did so after we reached 1st and they still have the top players in the game in level, power and rank. Where we beat them is on average power. So it is the team as a whole which grew stronger. Again, this was accomplished by more members on our team doing more, like villains, than the average number of members doing the same on the other team.

 

Do people really not know what is happening on the game?  Do you think we all just joined yesterday and don't pay attention?  I watch many teams and players closely all day long, keeps me in the loop.  How do I know what happened?  Well many times while I was attacking people for honour I found YOUR gang members with no gang and then they returned.  It is an old trick that I am aware of, because while in DM, we did it.  If we didn't want to take a crappy trophy we would all leave the gang and return.  That way you lose and you don't get the trophy.  Watching where trophies go after the "time" of a fight is pretty easy to understand.  Who won, who fought who and what trophy switched places.  It is not rocket science, it is actual fact.

 

How does shifting power from one team to another really help test the server and help the server?  So DM goes to Rank 2 and Villians go to rank 1 and vice versa, and this helps the server and game how?  Unless you are in the top 10 teams, you really aren't active players, using all your energy and trains daily.   As long as 1 or 2 teams monopolize the training trophies they will always be ranked 1 and 2.  It is a given and your arguments fail.  You can keep saying that you are helping other gangs by giving them trophies, yet you are doing it ONLY for your team's best interest.  That is why teams have "academy" gangs, to have the declare fights to block other teams from attacking you and steal your honour or trophies.  Good strategy, but how some gangs will just sit back and let this happen is beyond me.  Why be the billy goat to help another team be in the top at all, when you have potential to get there yourself.  As long as you keep letting them walk on you to help THEM succeed, you have lost it all.

 

I agree, either make more of all trophies or have them drop off after 48 hours from being obtained.  Allow other teams the chance to have them and have the extra energy or training that would help them get into top spot. 

 

I don't doubt that you saw a player off team here or there. But to know we dropped ALL our players without inside knowledge is hard to believe, since we dropped players one or two at a time and they returned immediately. So again, how you knew that we dropped a whole team is beyond me unless you're working with the team we dropped a trophy to, since you're not working with us.

 

I watch as well. I still don't know when a team has dropped ALL their members. I know when they drop a few. I also know which teams are working together. ;)

 

I find it funny you call my team mates gang members. Are your teammates gang members too?

 

If you did it when you were on DM, then why the fuss over it?

 

We dropped 4 training to lower level teams, 1 energy and 1 courage. We took 3 training from DM during that process. When we started, we had 3 training, 1 energy and 1 courage. Seems like we had a lot more to lose than gain from this process, and in fact we did lose more than gain, while helping other teams. I'm sorry your team wasn't one of the ones we helped, but they're in top 3 anyway and don't need much help. Besides, your team and DM just helped themselves to those trophies we dropped down anyway, by "farming" them off the little guys.

 

As far as shifting power goes, isn't that what your team wants? To shift power from us to you?

 

How does VI's actions help the server? Hmm..... Let's think about it. Dropping trophies to lower ranked teams helps them grow. Taking trophies from the top 2 teams and dropping them down slows the growth of those teams. Allowing other team's members to join us so they can train under our trophies helps them grow. Not filling those spots with our own members limits our growth. We'd love to do more, but seeing as how we're the only ones trying to balance the server, it's a huge effort in futility. After all, those who rail the most about it, aren't really doing anything to help the server. They are just trying to help themselves.

 

As long as the top 2 teams monopolize the training trophies? That's funny, because you have just as many training trophies as we do, and we keep taking them from DM then dropping them down to lower ranked teams. Meanwhile, your team has simply looked for opportunities to gain more training trophies for themselves. So my arguments are quite valid. You saying they aren't doesn't change that.

 

I don't see how what we're doing is only in our best interest. If we were just looking out for our best interests, we wouldn't have shared usage of our trophies with other teams, nor would we have taken a really nice trophy set and dropped them to lower ranked teams. Furthermore, we wouldn't have limited ourselves to 3 training trophies and 2 energy since we made it into the top 5 so that other teams could make use of good trophies too. 

 

As far as academies go, we had 1. We used it to filter highly active players from more casual players, yet remain part of the same group of friends. Later, we took our academy and merged it with another up and coming team so the two could have a fighting chance. Then we let our academy fall by the wayside. 

 

As far as blocker teams go, this is a strategy we learned from other teams and is a good one. You should try it. It means getting on friendly terms with other teams though. But I'm betting your team already practices this, either by getting blocked or blocking, or both. We used it to allow ourselves the time needed to catch up with the dominant team on the server, then abandoned it. We used it again when we started dropping trophies so that other teams wouldn't drop courage on us while we were trying to drop training trophies down to the lower ranks. 

 

Now some teams aren't gunning for top spot. Some just saw what we were doing to try to help balance the server and wanted to help. They aren't too vocal about it, because they aren't gunning for top spot like others are. To say they are getting walked on is quite insulting towards them. 

 

Now, for the record, having been on the most dominating team yourself, I truly don't understand why you're complaining about strategies you utilized yourself. And being on the 3rd ranked team, and having seen certain patterns of behavior from some teams, I'm betting you still utilize those strategies. 

 

To be honest, this all really just sounds like you're upset that your team isn't higher ranked than 3rd, which is odd to me. Why did you leave DM when they were in 2nd anyway? Now I do know when DM and Star merged, they shifted some players around taking some from SK, for example, to try and match us in strength. 2 players went from your team over to DM and you went to DD from DM. Which is all highly suspicious, unless your two teams are working together. And if that's the case, then doesn't it make all your arguments invalid? It seems to me, the team with the most top teams working under their belt just wants us to give up our power so they can all share it amongst themselves. Again, I could be wrong, but it sure seems that way. And because 1 top team is actually trying to help the little guys, that "gang" of teams that wants to monopolize is trying anything possible to prevent it, including, but not limited to, slander and misconstruing of objectives. 


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 03:39 AM

So I have read the forums and wish that my mother's word would have taken a better hold of me.  She used to tell me never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. What a very wise lady she is, too bad children never listen to their mothers.
 
This will be my final post in the forum, because after making some posts I have come to many conclusions.  First, KoT wants to control the game and everything about it and being a moderator he controls the entire forum.  NO ONE is entitled to have their opinion or express it, because to do so, KoT feels he has to justify everything, run everyone down and belittle them.  Having moderator title gives him that privelege.
 
Secondly, I am sorry to hear that you didn't get the memo that I sent out to DM when I left and have kept you out of the loop of things.  If someone wanted you to know, I am quite sure they would have told you the reason why I joined DD.
 
In conclusion, this reminds me of someone recently who wanted to control everything and thought he had the power and could do it.  It was my boss.  He figured that everyone would bow down to him, do what he told them to do and not have an opinion. He decided that he wanted to take away everything and anything that meant to his staff and to his fellow players, team mates and walked all over people. As I write today, a very funny thing happened, because he was so self-centered and egotistical and thought he was invincible and knew everything, it came and bit him in the butt.  But I don't want to wreck my story and my happiness....  I will let you come to your own conclusion of what happened.....
 
 
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He should have listened to his mother!!!


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 04:32 AM

You worked for Steven Harper? BTW do you know what happens to people that cut off their nose to spite their face? They have no nose on their face.


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 05:10 AM

 

So I have read the forums and wish that my mother's word would have taken a better hold of me.  She used to tell me never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. What a very wise lady she is, too bad children never listen to their mothers.
 
This will be my final post in the forum, because after making some posts I have come to many conclusions.  First, KoT wants to control the game and everything about it and being a moderator he controls the entire forum.  NO ONE is entitled to have their opinion or express it, because to do so, KoT feels he has to justify everything, run everyone down and belittle them.  Having moderator title gives him that privelege.
 
Secondly, I am sorry to hear that you didn't get the memo that I sent out to DM when I left and have kept you out of the loop of things.  If someone wanted you to know, I am quite sure they would have told you the reason why I joined DD.
 
In conclusion, this reminds me of someone recently who wanted to control everything and thought he had the power and could do it.  It was my boss.  He figured that everyone would bow down to him, do what he told them to do and not have an opinion. He decided that he wanted to take away everything and anything that meant to his staff and to his fellow players, team mates and walked all over people. As I write today, a very funny thing happened, because he was so self-centered and egotistical and thought he was invincible and knew everything, it came and bit him in the butt.  But I don't want to wreck my story and my happiness....  I will let you come to your own conclusion of what happened.....
 
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and the moral of the story.....
 
He should have listened to his mother!!!

 

 

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 07:52 AM

Can't wait for the six paragraph explanation of saying the same thing over and over....


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 09:32 AM

#1- KoT doesn't control the forum, any more than I do... He hasn't removed/hidden/edited anyone's posted 'opinion', which as a Mod, I would have the power to not only see, but if, in my opinion, he did and I felt he was in the wrong to do so, I could reverse...

 

#2- As a fellow 'player', as well as his position as a mod, KoT has as much right to express his opinion as any other forum user, provided he stays within the ToS  (which in my opinion as a mod, he has...)

 

#3- according to the ToS, there is no current word limit on any single post... so if he does get long-winded again, in your opinion, that's still within his rights

 

#4- If this post is going to devolve into an argument, I will close it... If you wish to continue, without devolving into an argument, please return to the posted topic...

 

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Posted 05 November 2015 - 02:49 PM

It says outside link removed but it still posts to the outside link. BTW congrats to Canada's P.M. for selecting a gender balanced cabinet. Because, you know 2015! W.T.G. ! Much love and respect. <3 


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 03:02 PM

I thought mods were to be able to give their opinions but were not suppose to participate in an argument, take sides, or debate. I could be wrong about that of course.

 

A lot of the argument was developed by KoT.  Many people are just responding back to him.  Which is a waste of time when he gets argumentative.

 

I don't mind KoT typing a novel, if it is on topic and is benefiting the thread.

 

We were all talking about better ways for the trophy system.  I think this is a valid discussion.  Just as long as the opinions are all given in a respectful manner.  Be kind to each other.  That's the only way to be really.

 

Second team imploding put more training trophies into play.  Just saying......without the training trophies it is hard to advance.


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Posted 05 November 2015 - 03:17 PM

This thread has gone way off point, so either get it back on track or its going to be locked or removed , so lets stop pointing the finger of blame and just continue the topic. next person to post anything off topic will be suspended ,thank you ,have a good day :)



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Posted 06 November 2015 - 02:38 AM

Thanks, Npe... as I said, we need to return to the posted topic, or to close the thread if that is no longer a viable option...


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:17 AM

I am now locking this topic because people continue to escape the topic in their posts, I gave plenty of heads up that any more unrelated posts will results in locking of the topic!! just be greatful I decided against warnings ,but take this as  your verbal warning everyone, keep instigating or taking part in arguements and I wont be so nice :)

 

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